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is a reasonable thing to do, a reasonable step forward. yes, that is a baby step, but coming from a republican senator that is a step. even more surprising news on the house side today. today, a bipartisan announcement from four members of the house on gun safety reform. democrats carolyn maloney and elijah cummings, and scott riggel, unveiling a bipartisan gun prevention act. when is the last time bipartisan anything came out of the house? the act would do two things, crack down on straw purchasers, so people who can buy guns because they pass a background check, but then they give the guns to a person who can't pass a background check, it would make it illegal. it may surprise you but that is not against the law. so it would change that, the bipartisan would make gun trafficking a federal crime,
making it punishable by up to 20 years in prison. now, that is it, right? straw purchases and making it a federal crime. these are not the world's most ambitious proposals? but the bipartisan supporting it? from the house, that is amazing, and on guns, it is amazing. not first yet an assault weapons ban, a mandating ban, something supported even by republican senators and by 92% of the public. but it is something and the brand most americans still are not buying. >> the house republican majority stands ready.
>> house majority leader cantor, appeared to move to the middle. >> aimed at producing results. >> eric cantor, 4.0. >> extreme makeover edition. >> i think we learned a lot of lessons from the last election. >> they're tone deaf. >> they're getting killed. >> some significant candidate quality problems. >> we need to change our rhetoric. >> he is talking about the tone. >> there is no desire for any opposition. >> we have to show our ideas are better at fighting poverty. >> the ideas are better at solving health care. >> health care, education, job growth. >> it will get worse even from this point. >> humane rhetoric? is it enough? >> cantor appeared to move to the middle. >> our house republican majority stands ready. >> calling for immigration reform, big day for immigration. >> time to provide an opportunity. >> it is going to get worse for legal residents and citizenship.
>> providing citizenship and a path for legalization. >> for those who were brought to this country as children. >> is the gop learning its lesson on immigration. >> eric cantor is worried about his own political future. >> that shows how lost they all feel. >> it is going to get worse even from this point. >> the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. so said shakespeare in henry the xi, today, he turns the wrath away from the lawyers, who actually do great things sometimes for justice. today, shakespeare would surely aim all his homicidal rage at marketeers, at madmen, the self-proclaimed marketing geniuses who spend their days convincing companies with
something to sell that they will tell the most seductive lies about their products, in order to sell more and more of them. and when the marketeers' lies to consumers don't work, they then tell the companies their biggest lie, all you have to do is rebrand yourself. today, republican house majority leader eric cantor fell for the big lie and tried to re-brand the republican party. the new republican brand is health, happiness and prosperity party. >> our house majority will pursue an agenda that is based on a shared vision of creating the conditions of health, happiness and prosperity, will advance proposals aimed at producing results. in areas like education. health care, innovation, and job growth. >> later, on the health, happiness and prosperity channel, eric cantor explained what convinced him that it was
time to re-brand the republican party and that what convinced him was the last election. >> what i think is we can learn a lot from the last election. you know? and the last election, we -- really spoke a lot about the macro-fiscal situation in this country, which is not good for people. but it is almost as if we didn't complete the sentence. we have got to demonstrate why we're doing it and explain why we're doing what we're doing. >> a few minutes later on the health, happiness and prosperity channel, republican bill crystal didn't sound exactly thrilled about the new health, happiness and prosperity party. >> they should worry less about how they look and they should just act according to conservative principles. >> i'll answer your question, they left it out, they lost a lot of senate races. >> and who were most of the people who lost? >> they were establishment candidates, now they're going to
come in, two tea party candidates last, about seven establishment candidates lost. >> todd akin branded -- eric cantor who has studied the issues carefully, at least i hope he got his money's worth is doing important things in this speech. >> and the republican establishment, they're coming to the rescue to talk about -- >> and former republican leader rush limbaugh, who now seens -- seems largely ignored by the health, happiness and prosperity republican party believes eric cantor is a lost soul. >> there is no resistance to obama anywhere. and it will get worse even from this point. there is no political impetus. there is no perceived upside for republicans for standing in the way of obama. it is because of who obama is and what his policies are. and the perception that the
american people massively support it all. and that is why cantor is saying we're going to have to do a better job of explaining who we are. we need to do a better job of explaining why we are doing what we are doing. that is -- i think -- that epitomizes of how lost they all feel. and right now, folks, there is no fight. there is no desire for any opposition of any kind. >> joy reid, wouldn't you like to live in rush limbaugh's world, where i quote" there is not any resistance to obama anywhere." that is rush limbaugh world. >> he is kind of loveable.
he is sad, they should just rename the party the peace, love and puppy's party and have everybody over and have a slumber, it is hilarious to watch the despair on the right. >> there is no opposition if they're not questioning where he was born every day and attacking him. >> because what they have been doing the last four years is opposing what obama does, even if it is things they wanted to do. the last election preferred that the american people preferred obama's policy and preferred him to them. now he will be a version -- slightly more conservative, i don't get it. >> let's listen to what rush limbaugh said about the new marketing plan. >> it seems like every day a new republican goes to the microphones to offer an opinion about what they need to do, in
order to reverse their fortunes. and i think it is time they stopped telling everybody what they need to do and just do it. you never tell people what the marketing plan is, because then you give people a chance to resist it. >> richard wolff, i am too pure of soul, as you know, to analyze a marketing plan, because a marketing plan is a cynical thing. and so richard, i turn to you. >> thank you so much, i'll take it in the spirit in which it was meant. >> to interpret for us the new republican marketing plan. >> so i like rush, lamenting people going to the microphones, like the big golden thing in front of his face, you know, whose party is it anyway? there is at the heart of the philosopher, rush limbaugh's analysis, he said the perception that the majority of people supported this president. i think in the reality-based
world, i never thought i would say it, eric cantor is in the reality-based world. he understands they lost the election, because it was not the perception, it was the majority of the voters who said the president was on the right track and they like his policies. the marketing thing at the most shallow, the slogans, small furry animals and motherhood and apple pie, doing things, actually is politics. you can only get to do stuff if you win elections, you can only get to win election if you can tell people what you stand for. it has to be something more than happiness, but that is what a political debate is, and maybe rush needs to get closer to his microphone or take some more medication. >> and marketeers seem to want to go with what works. at newark airport, which is why the show was so different.
they had directtv on the plane, i saw on al sharpton's hour that they came up with a way of putting together two speeches that sound very similar, let's listen to this. >> well, it starts by making sure that everyone in america gets a fair shot at success. >> our goal is to ensure that every american has a fair shot to earn success. >> that is why immigrants from around the world historically have flocked to our shores. >> that hope, that generation of immigrants will risk everything to endure a tough journey to come to our shores. >> we should give people chances for new skills. >> as job markets change, more skills, training and education are needed. >> joy, president obama and the speech writers are the best speech writers of my lifetime. but i resist stealing their stuff all the time because i feel like i would get caught. i mean -- >> yeah, but they don't, it is funny you picked out the part of the speech --
>> the sharpton team -- the fair line really stuck out to me, too. i read the speech, i said wait a minute if you just close your mind off and forget this is a republican, this is the guy whose house of representatives has been doing nothing but passing anti-abortion bills and trying to cut nothing but pbs and food stamps and trying to get rid of meals on wheels. to read this speech you would think it came out of the white house. the fact is they're trying to take obama's rhetoric, but it is cutting the exact same policies. they still want to cut food stamps and medicaid. really, they are borrowing barack obama's lines. >> the most cynical, karl rove, i save it admiringly, he is about winning, not about policies, he believes the tax rate should be whatever it is in the tax rate in the campaign. he is getting attacked by the tea party side.
he is trying to attack the so-called reasonable republicans against the nuts, rove was just attacking hannity, listen to this. >> the group that went out with the e-mails and fundraising entities, they get into the pocket of the person who owns the website or the political action committee. i am a volunteer, i don't take a dime from crossroads. >> richard, this is the fascinating current civil war in republican world, rove versus the tea party. >> i think he has done pretty well being a political consultant. i am going to be skeptical, even if he was sitting in what looked like the lobby of the holiday inn, this is a fascinating debate. this is what a party looks like when it has gone to an extreme, people recognize it does not
work and they're trying to attack back. for the president, the white house and democrats, in general, that offers up a whole range of opportunities that didn't exist before. when the policy was no defectors, no splitting of any votes. no sense of giving the president any sense of bipartisanship. this is healthy for republicans and politics in general. the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not afraid of dave. and in the rewrite, fox news is
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one of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents. and it is time to provide an opportunity for legal residents and citizenship, for those who are brought to this country as children and who know no other home. >> two years ago, eric cantor had the chance to vote for a path to citizenship for millions of children brought to this country by their parents, it was called "the dream act." he did not vote for it. so why? >> as i stated before, the elections, the republican party is losing the support of our hispanic citizens. >> president obama, who won 71% of the latino vote met with immigration reform supporters at the white house. after the meeting, maria encapia of the national immigration law center said this.
>> what we are demanding is a road to citizenship that is clear, that is direct, not depending at all on additional enforcement, whether it is border, security, or any other types of enforcement. this administration has done more than anyone on the border enforcement, that is not the starting point. >> maria elena, what did you learn at the meeting today with the president? >> well, it was a very candid conversation, very productive. we learned the president is leaning into it. he is aligned with us. he believes as well that the path to citizenship has to be a direct one, a real one and will show whether the republicans are legitimate about whether or not they want a path to citizenship or whether it is just politics. >> did he indicate to you whether he sees a legislative strategy for getting it through
both bodies, house and senate? >> he expresses that he is optimistic, we all believe that the senate needs to lead first. and that with the momentum that we have, the political power, i think as senator john mccain said, it is elections, elections, elections, that john boehner will see, as well, there is a need to pass immigration reform. we didn't get into the logistics of what the house strategy would be. >> ryan grim is the momentum building with cantor's flip-flop, does that create more momentum? >> sure, i mean, it certainly moves one end of the debate. republicans now more or less have to be for the dream act or they're considered not part of it, anywhere near the reasonable conversation, but you know, look, if they want to put the dream act up alone and push is forward i imagine that democrats would say okay, fine. we'll do the dream act if that is all we can get. but you know, republicans are fooling themselves if they think
that the dream act is going to be enough to get comprehensive immigration reform. you know, democrats are going to want legalization for everybody who is here who has not committed a crime, et cetera, et cetera, in order to give the republicans what they want in the comprehensive bill. so just the dream act is not going to be enough. budget it is a step in the democratic direction. >> let's listen to what some of this issue is going to be up again in the house of representatives. congressman steve king had a hearing today in the house. >> we have about what, 6.3 billion people on the planet. so that would be a universe that you addressed, i think. but do you believe that there should be a limit to the number of people brought into the united states? >> i do think that the answer is to increase the number of high-skilled immigrants that we have. but also to put the folks who are already here -- >> but mayor castro, what i'm hearing here is that you wouldn't put a limit on any of those groups, you would just fill up the categories
essentially by demand. and that demand is potentially the entire population of the planet. >> what do you say to someone who worries about the entire planet coming to the 50 states, as a result of immigration reform? >> i think if he is worried about the entire planet he should support climate change efforts. but that said, this is really about -- this shows today's judiciary hearing in the house shows how out of touch some of our elected officials are in the house, and unfortunately, i think in the senate, as well. and really, the election showed that demographics are -- the asia pacific american vote at 75%, the majority of young people, african-americans voted for obama. they're saying it is time we fixed the system.
immigration reform has to happen, it has to be common sense and a road to citizenship is an essential component to that. >> ryan grim, where is john boehner on this? is he is a noncommital category? >> like he often does, he is playing it smart, kind of standing back and waiting to see what happens. he realizes that house republicans are not going to drive this. john mccain, lindsey graham, jeff flake, the other republicans in the senate are going to hammer something out with democrats over the course of the next several weeks. and if that blows up, then the house is off the hook. so why expend any capital, ticking off his far right base if they're not going to have to do anything? he can just continue to say i encourage people to compromise and be reasonable. and that is really his best play
at this spot. >> let's listen to more of that hearing today with the house judiciary chairman questioning the mayor. >> question is, what to do about the ten million or more people who are not lawfully here? do you think others are open to finding some ground between a pathway to citizenship and the current law, which would be to require the deportation? many circumstances, whether that is being enforced today or not? >> in terms of the 11 million folks who are here certainly putting them on a path to citizenship, ensuring that after they pay taxes, they pay a fine, they learn english, they get to the back of the line, that is the best option. >> what about some possible middle ground? that is going to come up in the legislative compromising? >> i think the senate bipartisan committee has already the gang of 8 in the senate has already talked about immediate, temporary status which would give people work authorization. and then the question is, does
the road to citizenship, is that a clear and direct road to what president obama is saying, the senate bipartisan committee is saying is contingent on more border security? that is the piece we feel is a nonstarter. >> maria thank you for coming straight from the white house to "the last word." and ryan grim, thank you for joining us. thank you. the republican who is not afraid of dave. there is one, new jersey governor chris christie's appearance on david letterman last night. coming up. and in the rewrite tonight, breaking news, fox news just fired one of their prime time players. just because he was wrong. all the time. about everything. what is up with that? how do your car running like new? you ask a ford customer. when they tell you that you need your oil changed you got to bring it in. if your tires need to be rotated, you have to get that done as well. jackie, tell me why somebody should bring they're car here to the ford dealership for service instead of any one of those other places out there.
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>> in the spotlight tonight, the politics of late night new jersey governor chris christie appeared on the late night show with david letterman. >> i have made jokes about you, not just one or two, not just ongoing, here or there, intermittent. >> i do have a couple that you did that are personal favorites. celebrity birthday today, chris christie blew out the candles on his cake, and he wished for another cake. a billion will be spent on potato chips for super bowl, and that is just at chris christie's house. >> dave got a little more specific. >> how is your cholesterol? >> actually, dave, my cholesterol is normal, believe it or not. that is pretty good. >> and what about your blood sugar? >> also normal, i am basically
the healthiest fat guy you have ever seen in your life. >> governor chris christie had some criticisms, but not for letterman, but no congress, here is what he said about the delay in getting relief money for hurricane sandy victims. >> when i tried to get an explanation they wouldn't answer the phone, and that is not a good thing to do. then i start to get more and more angry, then you know -- just you know, answer the phone. unfortunately it is a different atmosphere there now, people are not working with each other the way they should, they're not talking to each other the way they should. >> is it john boehner, was that who it was? >> listen, he ultimately made the decision to not have the vote on january 2nd, as had been promised. i told him, it was his decision. i made my thoughts known clearly to him. and i was actually less gentle privately than i was publicly. >> good for you.
>> in new jersey, governor chris christie now enjoys a 74% approval rating his highest job approval ever. joining me now, johnathan capehart, and msnbc analyst, sam stein, johnathan capeheart, as we all know, as any political scientist now knows, the road through the white house now passes through david letterman's show. john mccain refused to go on letterman. lost the presidency. mitt romney refused to go on letterman, lost the presidency. there is chris christie going on letterman, next stop? where? >> well, next stop he will run for re-election as governor. but you know, the good thing about what chris christie is doing is one, we're all talking about him. have you been watching the clip of him eating the donut, since 6:00 this morning -- i laugh every time. the other thing it does is it shows that he has a sense of humor, that he is listening to
all of these jokes. he knows what people are saying about him and his weight. and he is willing to laugh at himself. not that he needed to humanize himself, not just to the audience as the guy that screams during the middle of the presidential campaign, or in other situations. >> let's listen to another situation with dave talking about his political future. >> if you were reelected and then had to run for a campaign in 2016, would you do that to the people of new jersey? would they let you do that? >> listen, i mean, i think people understand that if you see something you think you can do and do it well, people give you a fair opportunity to do it. i'm nowhere near making that decision yet at all. i think anybody who tries to plan in politics that far in advance is crazy. >> so sam stein, i take that as a yes, i'm running for president in 2016?
>> yes, it is crazy not to plan that far in advance in politics. you know now that he has been on letterman, you may as well throw out the projections, because he is a shoe-in, nothing else to it. >> he did a press conference again today in which the weight issue came up again, let's listen to it. >> the idea that somehow, you know, i don't care about this, of course i care about it. and i'm making the best effort i can. and sometimes i'm successful. and other times i'm not. and sometimes periods of great success are followed by periods of great failure. and so you know, that is just the way it worked for me for probably the last 30 years of my life, my doctor says my luck will run out relatively soon, so believe me, it is something i'm very conscious of. but in terms of people in the state being concerned about whether or not it prevents me from being able to do my job effectively, i think they have
seen the results of that. >> johnathan capehart, speaking of somebody who had as chris christie put it, a period of great failure, with my diet this weekend i can completely understand. not on the scale of chris christie, but i can completely understand the way he is talking about that. and i think everyone out there can. >> well, right, again, he is talking not like a politician, but like an everyday person who struggles with his or her weight. the ups and the downs. you know, i never had to struggle with it before, but now since crossing the tender barrier of now being in my 40s, i now see holy smokes, i can't eat and i have to exercise and i have to do all of these things. it is just hard. so i think you know, give chris christie you know great points for just being willing to entertain -- not just entertain the questions but to answer them truthfully and honestly. >> john, first of all, you don't
look a day over 39, secondly to add to the point, i do think there is something legitimate about it. to humanize a politician is very rare, oftentimes they present an image they want you to see. but with chris christie, obviously his weight is an issue, a personal feeling that he acknowledges, something he struggles with. something akin to how president obama admitted to struggling with smoking. it is a problem he has to deal with continuously. i guess up until a few years ago. but it made us understand that these are not projections, these are people. i think from a political standpoint that is a valuable thing to do. >> but johnathan, there is a huge difference between smoking and this issue. we never saw the president smoke. it is something you can do kind of secretly if you must. and apparently he didn't do it all that much anyway. and chris christie's problem is quite visible. we all recognize it. and, you don't have to actually see him do the joke of eating
the donut to get what this problem is. >> right, and you know there was something in that clip that you showed that struck -- that stood out for me, it was when he said his doctor warned him that his luck is going to run out relatively soon. >> that is dramatic language. >> yeah, and so i'm thinking well wait a minute, when is relatively soon? is that at the end of your first term. so the people of new jersey give you a second term how soon is relatively soon? so clearly, this is -- he might be the healthiest fat man we've ever seen, but i wonder where on the scale of healthy is he really? is he here? if this is healthy? or is he here? >> well, i guess, sam my interpretation of that line is chris christie plans to do something significant and noticeable about his weight if he is going to run for president. it sounds to me like that line about his doctor indicates he knows he has to take some kind of step physically with this in order to run for president.
>> yeah, and remember when his name was being floated as a potential candidate in 2012, there were a slew of stories as to whether or not his weight would pose a political problem for his ambitions. i think these stories, the questions are completely fair game. you're elected in office, accountable to the people. we wrote a story about sonia sotomayor having diabetes, these are fair questions. obviously, john mccain had his own health issues when he was running. and the issues were raised for john mccain, and will be if joe biden runs. we'll see if he ends up losing weight in anticipation of a run, or maybe it will just be a life-style change he will encounter in the next coming months. >> analyst sam stein and analyst, not saying when is senior and which is junior, you guys decide that. >> oh, we know that. >> thank you, guys.
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and he will surely resurface somewhere, somehow. in the meantime, we'll always have our memories of dick. >> this was an unbelievable win for sarah palin. in fact, i think that it unveils a level of skill in communication that i really have not seen since ronald reagan. she is a superstar. her ability to bypass the conventional wisdom of washington, her ability to speak in a tone, and a genre, a style that was so authentic and so outside of the mainstream was just unbelievable, barack obama may be the first anti-american president we have had. i guarantee you, sean, based on what i have heard from third parties that i have spoken to
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i can speak, i can speak you. i can see everyone. and today i can -- i can speak, and i'm getting better day by day. it is just because of the prayers of people. because all the people, men, women, children, all of them, all of them have prayed for me. and because of these prayers, and because of these prayers, god has given me this new life. and this is a second life. this is a new life. and i want to serve. i want to serve the people. and i want every girl, every child to be educated. and for that reason we have organized malala fund. >> that was 15-year-old malala yousufzai speaking on camera for the first time since the taliban tried to assassinate her in october. the taliban wanted the young pakistani student dead because she believed that every girl has a right to an education. now, malala is working with the
nonprofit women's organization, "vital voices," to educate girls around the world. and last week, malala yousufzai was officially nominated for the nobel prize by members of the parliament. shortly after that video you just saw, malala had two more surgeries on saturday. doctors at the hospital in england put a plate in her skull to cover the area damaged by the bullet. they also fitted her with an implant to restore hearing in her left ear. yesterday, malala recorded this new video. >> i am feeling more right. and i'm happy that the operations, both the operations are successful. and you know, it was that kind of success that now they have removed everything from me. and, i can also walk a little bit. i can talk, and i'm feeling better.
and the thing is that my mission is the same, to help people and i will do that. >> yes, and what do you think of the treatment so far? can you remember that? >> if i try to speak about my whole treatment, it started in pakistan. and it was very successful and a very good operation of me. >> yes, indeed. >> and god gave me a new life. because of the prayers of people and because of the talent of doctors. and here in birmingham, in queen elizabeth hospital, here, they did the operation of my nerves. so after four or five months the left side of my face will work. and they took care -- a lot of care of me, intensive care. and i think i'm really inspired from the doctors and nurses. they are like my mother and father. for certain days, my mother and father were not with me, but i
had a lot of doctors and nurses who took care of me as if they were my parents. >> joining me now is new york city print journalism, who is now famous about the documentary. the award for the peace foundation, adam, thank you for joining us again tonight. we have been tracking the story, i just find it stunning to see the way she is speaking, both in the first video, and then after more surgeries in the second video. and i think a lot of us are now comparing a little bit here. gabrielle giffords's situation to this situation. and watching her recovery is absolutely miraculous. you have been in contact with her and her father. is there anything -- secret to this, or was she just lucky in terms of where the bullets went? and how quickly she got treatment?
>> it is really astonishing. i think we've lost sight of exactly what has happened. i mean, this is a young girl who was shot literally at point blank range, perhaps just a foot away from the gun. and she survived. so it is a combination of tremendous urgent care during those critical few days. and now she is in that long-term care battle with some reconstruction. but yeah, it is a tremendous victory for her, her family and the cause that she fights for. >> and adam, leaving aside everything she has been through, she is a remarkably articulate 15-year-old, by any standard, anywhere in the world including the most sophisticated possible standard. is that the kid that you met? has she been this way from the start of her public discussions of these things? >> she is incredibly articulate, i was enamored of her preparation, i still remember